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	<title>Comments on: Why Australian football has a long way to go&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://sidelined.com.au/2007/10/04/why-australian-football-has-a-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-24878</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_2795399,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;And on that note&lt;/a&gt;, Zelko Kalac will get some time between the sticks as Dida has earnt a two match ban. Celtic have been fined for allowing the pitch invader on in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_2795399,00.html" rel="nofollow">And on that note</a>, Zelko Kalac will get some time between the sticks as Dida has earnt a two match ban. Celtic have been fined for allowing the pitch invader on in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only have the video after the game.

If players commit fouls and are not caught during the game then they will be on &#039;film&#039;.

Like cricket let us not deny that human touch to the game so vital.

it improves character to accept bad decisions when they happen. It is like players playing badly.
They don&#039;t mean it it just happens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only have the video after the game.</p>
<p>If players commit fouls and are not caught during the game then they will be on &#8216;film&#8217;.</p>
<p>Like cricket let us not deny that human touch to the game so vital.</p>
<p>it improves character to accept bad decisions when they happen. It is like players playing badly.<br />
They don&#8217;t mean it it just happens</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://sidelined.com.au/2007/10/04/why-australian-football-has-a-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-24793</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, that isn&#039;t necessarily my opinion, but I just don&#039;t think it&#039;ll ever happen for World Cups: c&#039;est sensible mai c&#039;est ne pas FIFA (why French? why FIFA, FINA etc?).

As to &#039;essential&#039;, the World Cup&#039;s been around a while and seen its share of crazy reffing decisions and reprehensible dives, yet people are miraculously still watching. It&#039;d be fairer and saner to have video reffing, but since when do they have anything to do with sport?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, that isn&#8217;t necessarily my opinion, but I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll ever happen for World Cups: c&#8217;est sensible mai c&#8217;est ne pas FIFA (why French? why FIFA, FINA etc?).</p>
<p>As to &#8216;essential&#8217;, the World Cup&#8217;s been around a while and seen its share of crazy reffing decisions and reprehensible dives, yet people are miraculously still watching. It&#8217;d be fairer and saner to have video reffing, but since when do they have anything to do with sport?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, video reffing is essential. It is the bare minimum.  Anyone with any self-respect would say that diving is not football (and why the french in relation to football?).

It doesn&#039;t usually take 5 minutes and it does provide (in Rugby Union where everyone sees the replays used) public confidence in the referees.

Also, surely it would eliminate diving in the box almost completely? Especially the egregious Rivaldo-style of diving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, video reffing is essential. It is the bare minimum.  Anyone with any self-respect would say that diving is not football (and why the french in relation to football?).</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t usually take 5 minutes and it does provide (in Rugby Union where everyone sees the replays used) public confidence in the referees.</p>
<p>Also, surely it would eliminate diving in the box almost completely? Especially the egregious Rivaldo-style of diving.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://sidelined.com.au/2007/10/04/why-australian-football-has-a-long-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-24506</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video reffing the World Cup would probably be a bridge too far -- c&#039;est ne pas le foot

Match review tribunal lready exists, though it failed to punish Danny Tiatto for nearly crippling Richie Alagich in round 2 -- though it did suspend Robbie Middleby for stomping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video reffing the World Cup would probably be a bridge too far &#8212; c&#8217;est ne pas le foot</p>
<p>Match review tribunal lready exists, though it failed to punish Danny Tiatto for nearly crippling Richie Alagich in round 2 &#8212; though it did suspend Robbie Middleby for stomping.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could use video reffing for the major games, like the World Cup. And it could work both ways, with the video being used to check bad tackles. 

That said, video reffing is causing problems for the NRL as it undermines the confidence of the refs. I was watching the rugby today on the ABC and impressed with that the ref used his judgment and used it well in determining whether a couples tries had been scored. Then again he may not have had the luxury of a video but his decisions were sound. 

The same tries in NRL would have caused a 5 minute stoppage as every frame would be scrutinized.

How about a match review committee to cite players are a game and have them face a tribunal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could use video reffing for the major games, like the World Cup. And it could work both ways, with the video being used to check bad tackles. </p>
<p>That said, video reffing is causing problems for the NRL as it undermines the confidence of the refs. I was watching the rugby today on the ABC and impressed with that the ref used his judgment and used it well in determining whether a couples tries had been scored. Then again he may not have had the luxury of a video but his decisions were sound. </p>
<p>The same tries in NRL would have caused a 5 minute stoppage as every frame would be scrutinized.</p>
<p>How about a match review committee to cite players are a game and have them face a tribunal?</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 05:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22529266-23215,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;News update&lt;/a&gt;: AC Milan aren&#039;t appealing for the match to be overturned (I wonder why...), FIFA still considering wether Celtic should be fined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22529266-23215,00.html" rel="nofollow">News update</a>: AC Milan aren&#8217;t appealing for the match to be overturned (I wonder why&#8230;), FIFA still considering wether Celtic should be fined.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun: well, not every dive gets a foul or a yellow, and the flipside of course is that some horrible tackles aren&#039;t called at all (this is a big problem with the A-League atm). That said, yes, that could should happen -- though FIFA would probably argue that it&#039;d discriminate against poorer nations who don&#039;t have the video-reffing infrastructure etc etc.

Bearing in mind that video-reffing isn&#039;t perfect either, and it&#039;d have to be at the ref&#039;s discretion a la League -- you couldn&#039;t do it for every tackle or injury, otherwise stoppage time would run into double figures.

The aesthetic/philosophical objection would be that it interferes with the flow of the game and the &#039;ref is right even when he&#039;s wrong&#039;* spirit of the game, wherein you&#039;re supposed to struggle on and win anyway regardless how many of your players are red-carded and win in the last second of stoppage time anyway. Which is bollocks really, as unlike other sports, referees can do serious damage with penalties and reds (cf. Markus Merk, Graeme Poll, Luis Medina Cantelejo).

*in the immortal words of Vinnie &#039;Il Neurochiurgione&#039; Grella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun: well, not every dive gets a foul or a yellow, and the flipside of course is that some horrible tackles aren&#8217;t called at all (this is a big problem with the A-League atm). That said, yes, that could should happen &#8212; though FIFA would probably argue that it&#8217;d discriminate against poorer nations who don&#8217;t have the video-reffing infrastructure etc etc.</p>
<p>Bearing in mind that video-reffing isn&#8217;t perfect either, and it&#8217;d have to be at the ref&#8217;s discretion a la League &#8212; you couldn&#8217;t do it for every tackle or injury, otherwise stoppage time would run into double figures.</p>
<p>The aesthetic/philosophical objection would be that it interferes with the flow of the game and the &#8216;ref is right even when he&#8217;s wrong&#8217;* spirit of the game, wherein you&#8217;re supposed to struggle on and win anyway regardless how many of your players are red-carded and win in the last second of stoppage time anyway. Which is bollocks really, as unlike other sports, referees can do serious damage with penalties and reds (cf. Markus Merk, Graeme Poll, Luis Medina Cantelejo).</p>
<p>*in the immortal words of Vinnie &#8216;Il Neurochiurgione&#8217; Grella</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leiand, some good points but I do have a question pertaining strictly to football and that is how do you remove diving from the game?

As I understand, if you go down clutching your knee, writhing in agony because an opposition player tapped you on your shoulder, you have to be stretchered off the field and then stay off the field for a period of time. 

Of the course the other player is yellow or red carded because the ref is blind. 

Can&#039;t football use video like other sports to have a look at the foul. If it is an obvious dive then that diver gets red carded and/or banned from a game or two?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leiand, some good points but I do have a question pertaining strictly to football and that is how do you remove diving from the game?</p>
<p>As I understand, if you go down clutching your knee, writhing in agony because an opposition player tapped you on your shoulder, you have to be stretchered off the field and then stay off the field for a period of time. </p>
<p>Of the course the other player is yellow or red carded because the ref is blind. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t football use video like other sports to have a look at the foul. If it is an obvious dive then that diver gets red carded and/or banned from a game or two?</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One year, for using a masking agent and the lamest of schoolyard excuses. And there was the stufff with the bookies as well. 

And yes, Dida should have the book thrown at him, though knowing FIFA they&#039;ll declare the game 3-0 to AC Milan and spin like kids on red cordial when asked about Dida.

My point is more that every professional sport has shonky practices and shitty bureaucracies, but when it come to soccer these are apparently enough to rule the game &#039;a joke&#039; in the eyes of some Aussies (often overrepresented in the commercial media) -- does AFL get that despite changing it&#039;s rules every season to the infuriation of coaches and fans alike? Does League, despite the much higher risks of serious injury to players from shifty tackles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One year, for using a masking agent and the lamest of schoolyard excuses. And there was the stufff with the bookies as well. </p>
<p>And yes, Dida should have the book thrown at him, though knowing FIFA they&#8217;ll declare the game 3-0 to AC Milan and spin like kids on red cordial when asked about Dida.</p>
<p>My point is more that every professional sport has shonky practices and shitty bureaucracies, but when it come to soccer these are apparently enough to rule the game &#8216;a joke&#8217; in the eyes of some Aussies (often overrepresented in the commercial media) &#8212; does AFL get that despite changing it&#8217;s rules every season to the infuriation of coaches and fans alike? Does League, despite the much higher risks of serious injury to players from shifty tackles?</p>
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